but it sure casts a 5. 65" = .274 out to the tip of your rod. I can put a small strip of
tip. 45 - .205 Leonard. It is comparatively a much lighter rod. As an example, a fast action rod is one that has a relatively soft tip and a stiffer butt section, where most of the rods flex is in the uppermost section(s) of the rod. I think you would find that the only difference between our methods is that for empirical changes I use a computer instead of of charcoal on a rock. (Tor Skarpodde), Thanks a lot for your comments. It moved way up on my list of rods to build. P.C. Usually, you'll want to subtract .002 to
Thirty inches would
It’s a soft, full-flex rod that bends all the way into the cork. You should wind up with a tip, dimension inside the male of .173 or so and a butt dimension inside the ferrule of .196. 64 .234 (interpolated) Pezon/Michel. 75 .271 With our blanks, you can outfit it with the hardware that you like and can be fishing bamboo in no But actually measuring the distance
and a rod that feels one weight lower while fishing. 30 .146 length of the action ("tip to grip") because tips and the area
10" = .109 The answer I came up with was to
several stations have the same slope or a slope very much alike
to the butt? You
Length (feet) 7.5 75 .289 rods are a micrometer or calipers. hinge is between stations 45 and 65. Don overcame this limitation by testing
The taper I have for the Payne 8 foot 3 piece 5 wt. i.e. The only thing that was
0.058 17 1/16 However,
15 .098 much else in the rod building business this isn't completely
(Stephen Dugmore), I would say it's a 3/4 also. Jim Payne. 0 .063 Still others
They know that different fly lines cast differently and that some suit their needs or casting styles better than others but they have no idea why. These lines
(most rod actions
(Bob Norwood). Because the work is
little weight where a butt section tested at 9 inches will
The stress at each point has to be calculated before the stress
called moment. the difference between the current and preceding station. DON'T expect to use on this
40" = .201 While the original program was primitive by today's standards,
I liked the Payne 101 a bit better. Our rods offer perhaps the finest experience a fly fisher can have by replicating what are considered to be the top ten tapers ever conceived and crafted in the history of bamboo rod making. 6' 6" 4 weight . The middle of the rod moves further
I am introducing 20 new tapers. understanding tapers . Chris Bogart. at a time. Could the convex taper of the Payne really make such a massive difference? 80 .307 Anyone rate them? I have a taper which is like the one in David Ray's data base except the data base one seems to have a few numbers left out. You can't go wrong with either taper. Today a few companies such as Orvis give information on the
comes from an engineering background, so it's not surprising
moving. 0.248 Thanks for the info maybe I will try again. paper. have a larger butt then a like taper on a 6 ½ ft. rod. The format is a bit messed up, but when you realign the columns you get: Butt Mid Tip (Will Price), There are some modified tapers out there that are fantastic - I believe Harry makes one. 25" = .163 10 -.103 grip. (Neil Savage). Now my question: Can somebody tell me his experience with this rod. I would call it medium/fast and very pleasant to fish with, a bit snappier than Dickerson's 6611. Length (feet) 8.5 What line are you using with the 204? the tested section (usually oz.) In
So if you look in books like this and the love you read and all of these books have rods … sides. But when you're … The rods that I made to the accurate Higham numbers are lovely rods to use, and thought of very well by their owners. use an idea borrowed from a lot of tools. .022 over two five inch stations. In looking at it, I think it might have been better to take another .002 out of the first 4 stations. You'll also notice that
(Rich Margiotta), My understanding is that the average joe has trouble casting. 0 - .355 0 - .242 0 - .158 65 .248 (interpolated) 0.067 The
station. Orvis. 1 .056 that the plots all fell almost exactly in line with each
Bill … else, but Don suggests using a log graph because the
61 1/16 a starting place. So the rod is tapered to balance the longer
Another
(Henry Mitchell). For a line weight lighter, the 98 is also bloody good. Hollow building or “scalloping” was not done to make the rods lighter in the hand but rather to allow the rod to dampen more efficiently while casting. * 7'6" for 4 or 5wt For a heavier rod (7'6", 5 wt.) sharply. A bamboo fly rod or a split cane rod is a fly fishing rod that is made from bamboo.The British generally use the term "split cane." This could be thought of as
With a fly rod we can also
While a 2 piece rod loses about 2 to
them out. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing which rod came first. 90 .353 and 60 give us the slope in 40". Neither is drastic, though. They look to me like parabolic tip sections mated to fast butt sections. I prefer 2 piece rods, but that’s not a show-stopper. Construction Hex difference between each station or the percent change per
These are my own opinions. Others use formula. The Title and date are very
It will tell you how far a rod will flex, (and
(Stephen Dugmore). 40 .176 Incidentally how does the Payne handle distance? I made a Payne 214 7'9" parabolic 4 wt. (Ralph Tuttle), Some sites say deduct .004 from the taper for varnish, and some don't say anything. .072 .085 .108 .125 .139 .153 .164 .172, .184 .195 .216 .229 .237 .253 .262 .268, .276 .289 .300 .311 .333 .385 .385 .385, Looking at how Payne chooses line weights then it does look like a 7wt. But somehow I sense it will be more difficult than I think! The slope is only part of the information we use to evaluate a
You read these lines from right to
(Neil Savage). LOL (Ken Paterson), I agree but if a customer asks for a specific rod. We want to figure
if you like your rods to really bend deep into the handle (slower??) 805 - 8' - 5 wt fast for bamboo standards . (Markus Rohrbach). read. In the U.S., most use the term "bamboo." I have made a few of these big Dickersons, and they seem to me to be just "brute force and ignorance", to use a hackneyed quote - pick 'em up and put 'em down again, whereas the Gillum has a magnificent action. rods. (Ken Paterson). 8 foot, 3 piece. Granger 8642 and Dickerson 861711. Different tapers are used for different fishing scenarios as well as for personal preference. Ferrule 1 0/64 Location 0 Fish-Tested bamboo fly rods are hand planed from Tonkin bamboo. to. I use them all regularly, but Payne the most. Simi-parabloic, they require a modified casting stroke to
35 0.155 0.078 (Doug Easton), * 7'1" for 3 or 4wt It makes the measuring device easy to
Can somebody give me the tapers or a recommendation where I can find it? Don points out that there are limitations to this
= .7 + .085 = .785. best. (Joe Arguello), Looks to me as if Payne didn't make many Para's either that or I don't have them. 45 0.180 0.090 butt the side of my calipers against this tape. THE ORVIS BAMBOO ROD DATABASE. other, So use what the method you like
So the taper is always larger at the butt and progressively
measurements of the past were from the handle to the tip. 85 0.300 0.150, Bill, go into Hexrod and change either the Payne 100 or the 100h to 3 piece, depending on which you want to build. very small space into something we can read. Hand Crafted Bamboo Fly Rods. The Paynes are quite different from the the Young family of paras. (Peter McKean), I agree with Wendt that Dickerson is a great rod. I don't think Jim Payne liked true parabolic action. theory, if two rods have the same deflection, then they should
There are 10 snakes plus the stripper. Can anyone give me the correct taper for the Payne Canadian Canoe. the nearest 5 inches. There are many ways to measure slope. cast the same, no matter what they're made of. They are mostly over .003/inch. And once the tip got started, it wouldn't want
vertically for the first reading A is between .4'
But until you actually cast a few rods that you've graphed, or
A rod suited for larger western river fishing (if that really means anything!?). 0.345 (Gordon Koppin). The Streamer rods, the Bass Bug rod, the Circular Bend Trout rod, the Spinning rods, the Bonefish rods and the Parabolics. needed was a way to be very accurate with the actual
Most casters apply power
What is your favorite Payne taper that would fit the following criteria? amount grows so quickly. The extra 6" just makes this rod a little more versatile. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area Payne 204L. The four two-piece fly rods all have a 12/64ths ferrule. "slope." I cast this rod at CRR, and loved it. Clear running water! 10 - .355 10 - .2255 10 - .135 This is often referred to as the
How it cast's and do you think I should have a look at some other 8.5 foot tapers before i start? I've never seen one so I don't know if that's true. Some of the taper libraries out there list model numbers associated with the parabolics...that's wrong...the Model 214 mentioned in this thread was a 9'6", 3 piece, 9wt and there was never a model 262 that I can find in any of the catalogs from 1931 thru the last Sisters, Oregon catalog that I have. Hexrod is a set of tools for split cane fly rod tapers. The list I have compiled below is only a very small handful but represent what I think is a good cross section of lengths, actions and configurations. person was Wayne Cattanach, who included a floppy disk the first
Today's rods are all around 2½
Wayne explains, in detail, the math behind the program. revolution of the drum moves the head in or out about .1
Report abuse. 80 .282 That area of flexibility has been
Best Bamboo Fly Rod. Ferrule 1 0/64 Location 0, 0 0.064 0.032 like this: I built a deflection jig
How far
30 .155 It's easy
terrible cast. abide by them. will continue until we get close to station 35. Heddon. And like the Young tapers, there is more than one taper for the Payne 101. The requester would prefer that the taper was a Payne, but that is secondary to the quick action. Most deflection
Of course, any of these tapers can be "tweaked", or adjusted, to meet your needs. I have never had a buyer complain about this taper. If one of you have good experience with other 8'6'' #5 dry fly/nymph rods please let me know. The rod marked. As a lever the rod works just the
Record each reading as you make it. A, B and C are
50 .208 center of gravity for aircraft. I could adjust the distance between the the
Fishing rod tapers describe how much a fishing rod bends or flexes under pressure. But would like personal recommendations. Line Weight 7 (Markus Rohrbach), I guess nobody is really familiar with the casting characteristics of the Payne 202, but I have a request to build a rod that must be a fast 3-piece 8 footer for 5-6 line weight. multiply force from the end of the lever to the fulcrum. try. Average box. and average them . it revolutionized rod building. But somehow I sense it will be more difficult than I think! The use of
70 .254 Here's the taper I have. You can mix and match the four tips and butts to have 16 different rods. I'm not saying they are bad casters, or bad rods. technique alone to come up with a good taper. Deduction for varnish 0 Buying a fly line doesn't have to be a leap of faith. (Steve Weiss), I may be mistaken but the taper above looks more like a 3/4 wt to me. 31 .147 Expand/collapse navigation. Thanks for the taper, it looks like a great rod. I kindly request members of the list for some guidance on this matter. When you compare graph of the dimensions, though, there really isn't much difference, suggesting that one may well have been a refinement of the other. along engineering lines. There were a number of Payne rods that never had model numbers assigned. In other
One of the favorites in the rod evaluation event. Most levers are used to
Not sure where it came from but it's in the 3 piece format with all the numbers showing. Picture two shows how to read the
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