Well see. I want you to write a story that has no kids in it and nothing about the past. I remember thinking, You really have some nerve. Vous pouvez modifier vos choix tout moment en cliquant sur le lien Tableau de bord sur la vie prive prsent sur nos sites et dans nos applications. The Internet seems dangerous to me. So its been essential for me. I dont know if I can fully explain how, but the ways in which I see some of that thinking manifested in that story, and theres a slightlyI dont want to say a meta aspect to it, too, but it just felt like a more overtly intellectual story. I worked as a temp in the word-processing pool for Willkie Farr & Gallagher for a few months. I was at a nine-hour time difference from my home, and my home itself was breaking up. I came with a suitcase on a plane alone. There were also some really good Agatha Christies I hadnt read, particularly The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, which is just a knockout. Prior to I just thought that was the book. Things felt very fragmented to me. Yes, I am. I just couldnt find the right vibe or structure or physical environment to write something that was worthy of inclusion. So Id convert disappointment into hope immediately. And I continue to be very interested in genre, so Im reading a lot of crime fiction. They come away, often, with uncomfortable knowledge. Then I had a scholarship to go to England and study at Cambridge. But I did get some work, so I was earning money. So many! But to go to college before having an answering machine and then to witness whats happened since has been absolutely staggering. I was living that hook-or-crook kind of New York existence, but it turned out that that took all my time. So its always trial and error. So I did that. This interview is drawn from two conversations. And I will sometimes feel that a particular physical environment might live well in a structure that I have on my list. That story picked up on a character from Goon Squad, much later in her life, and Im wondering if that was the gateway story for The Candy House? Some people say their thought takes place in images, some in words. I drew a character map while reading Jennifer Egan's The Candy House, just for the pleasure of charting the swooping, kaleidoscopic intersections of parents and children (and cousins and tennis partners and drug dealers) of a central set of people first introduced in her 2010 novel A Visit from the Goon Squad. So the machine was an empowering tool for me as a fiction writer. . By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. The first story I wrote for Toms class, Sacred Heart, was one that also ended up in my collection. You once worked as a private secretary to the Countess of Romanones, who was a spy during the Second World War. Best of all is a chapter consisting entirely of emails and texts exchanged by over a dozen characters. Im not sure that it will be deeply related. Nick Kroll and Jason Mantzoukas have all kinds of chemistry. I think there was an advantage to having pretty low expectations for myself, and having the wish to write come more from a sense that it would complete my experience of reality than that it would bring me acknowledgement from the outside world. In other cases, I did keep working on them, but realized in the end that I couldnt make that particular version work. And it was so exciting to feel that happen. So theres already this possibility of mental content being shared technologically. I just found it on the shelf and started reading it and was, like, Oh, my God.. I guess what Im saying is that I like to work against what Ive done before. And when I brought in this chapter, with its bells and whistles, they at first gently informed me that it was not really to their liking, and then more stridently said that when my narrator got, you know, ironic and winky with the reader they became angry. So that is what interests me about that decade, and the fact that New York had a population of a millionit was a city, it had the grid that it has now, this house existedbut a few hundred miles west the landscape was still undeveloped and contested and in the process of being stolen. Certainly, about as different from a city as you could get. I still dont. At some point, we become aware that his daughter is telling the story. Theyd lost interest, so it was time to stop. Ive thought about trying to teach it. I think maybe I was the inverse of that. When people would say, What do you do? I would say, Im a temp, and, you know, the conversation would often end quickly. I love the way candy looks. It was more interesting. Being made of imagination, it offers a portal to another universe, much like each of the chapters in Egans novel. At the moment, youre reporting a piece for The New Yorker. I was really afraid that I was mentally ill, although I also had some great times, and I met some wonderful people on that trip. Can we talk more about that? So its a tremendousI dont want to say gift, because that sounds so clichd, but it feels like a real advantage to be able to do that. And so that gap year became about trying to earn money so that I could travel, and I ended up going to Japan as a model for March and April. It was a very exciting book for me to encounter on my own as a teen-ager. The fact that Ive spent time on this doesnt mean that I need to spend more time on it. I realized that Phils focus was on getting at emotional truth, which, in a way, matters more than anything else. Data-as-a-Service Data Management Data Enrichment API & Webhooks. So thats part of the dark side of the technology, even for people who use it for its intended purpose. Which means uninteresting. He was a straitlaced businessman who was madly in love with his wife. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. I doubt it. Yes, and it still does somehow. I did not think it while looking at Twitter! Pieter M. Van Hattem Advertisement One character, the junkie daughter of a music producer, uses the device to relive a dearly remembered trip to She explains that the reason she knows what happened to him is that shes using his externalized memory. I have to saydont expect that response time now! Boston, MA 02114 Is there something you get from journalism that you dont get from writing fiction? Wilde also will exec produce along with Jennifer Fox. Paul Thomas Anderson on what makes a movie great. Maybe its just that what you find out may not make you happy. Yes. News Tips: (800) 280-TIPS Never did I appreciate more how urgently important that was to my writing process than when I cut myself off from that possibility by writing outside of my lifetime. I did not do that for Manchild in the Promised Land.. 2023 Cond Nast. You said, Read it. So Ill keep a list of structures that Im curious about, but my entry point is always the physical environment. I think that process began to get my work back on track. It was out-and-out terror. I would say for Goon Squad and The Candy House that about fifty per cent of the first drafts I wrote were unusable. increase. It allowed me to do certain narrative things that I knew I wanted to do. Theres not a lot of filler in Jennifer Egans radiant new novel, The Candy House, a sequel of sorts to her 2010 Pulitzer-winning bestseller, A Visit From the Goon Squad. And Id be furious in the moment. How could revisiting that time in its unfiltered state improve upon the story her memory has made? she realizes. Apparently, they were standing on a shore or a ship. A member of the 7 Action News morning team since 2015, LaFlamme posted the news of her departure Monday afternoon on social media Michigan's new I guess the definition of a panic attack is that youre afraid because youre afraid because youre afraid. Its now 2010, and he finds himself back at the East River at midnight, in the same spot where he stood with his friends all those years ago, and he is kind of flabbergasted to realize that he cannot remember much at all about that morning in 1993. I dont think so, no, because its going to take so much research. As I told you, when I was working on Manhattan Beach, I had all kinds of ideas about narrative tricks that I would use to connect the book to the present. Egan thinks otherwise, maintaining that knowing everything is too much like knowing nothing; without a story, its all just information. Forming it into a narrative is living (even if, as with Didion, the story you tell about yourself is that youre a neurasthenic cynic above such consolations). I never thought that. And so that hope for transcendence actually undermines improvement. I have to find the story that can only be told that way. . Later we find him running Mondrian behind a nonprofit front that organizes Dungeons & Dragons games for recovering addicts. You can learn an unbelievable amount about people without even going to a whole lot of trouble. So when I got the job with the countess what it meant was that I could write from eight to noon every day, and I did. Its important to me to hear about these very extreme experiences that I will never have but that enrich my understanding of the world and give me material that I can access later imaginatively. So these writers conferencesI cant recommend them too highly to young writers. Then I worked with another writer, Tom Jenks, who is also still teaching. J. Smith-Cameron knows what everyone thinks about Gerri. Sometimes the best place to conceal the real is amid the fake, which could be the motto of fiction: the lie that tells a truth. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. It was only a matter of time before someone made them pay for what they thought they were getting for free. It is related, but Im not sure how exactly. Me, too, although there are appealing things about it. That story ended up in my collection, and it was also the first story I soldto The North American Review. WebJennifer Egan. Their lives were what life was supposed to be, and my life was kind of an echo of that. And the thing that I could not understand as a younger writerand its even worse now with social mediais that theres this transcendent effect that quote-unquote success seems to have, like, Oh, my God, Im ascending. I remember there was a moment when I was on the elliptical machine at the gym, reading the Merchant Marine Officers Handbook, from the nineteen-forties. And there were these little signs of approval that would come along, like a handwritten nice note or sometimes even a signed name. It was that I was so enamored of these details that I had a really hard time recognizing the difference between the level of my interest and the possible level of the readers interest. But, at that timethis would have been the summer of 81it was exactly the opposite. How did you decide which characters from Goon Squad to explore in The Candy House? But, to me, it was just enthralling at that point. So she made my life possible. But for the first year of college I was haunted by those attacks. You helped her write her memoirs. I got an N.E.A. So you get these bolts of approval that sometimes come a little bit too soon, in the sense that theres no way to really follow up. What element of current technology do you think has effected the greatest change? In early 2003 I lived on the same street as Jennifer Egan, and, knowing her not really at all, but admiring her a lot, Id mailed my second book to her house, praying shed feel some vague neighborliness toward me and donate, to my sorry cause, a blurb. Our conversations have been edited and condensed. Id think, Well, if you just let me read a little more. Its not as simple as even just wanting novelty. Dont all men prefer their sons? I feel its literary roots going so far back, which I love. Ive always loved crime novels, but I havent really let myself read them that much for a couple of reasons. His work I consciously tried to emulate very early on. Maybe I would have. Im all for trigger warnings. And then more contemporary people: I was a huge admirer of Robert Stone. I was writing first drafts for Manhattan Beach and The Candy House at the same time for about two years. The Paris Review had many volunteer slush-pile readers, so I started doing that. You know, I dont know how it happened. And, therefore, when I didnt really have encouragement it never stopped me. At the same time, I was looking for some kind of writing class, because I clearly needed help. Lin-Manuel Miranda goes in search of lost time. I am not interesting enough to write a think piece because my thinking happens through writing. It fuelled this constant desire for information. The way that he managed to accommodate this potentially large amount of work that might come on any particular night was that he would stop people when he felt the room had heard enough. Its so true. I find myself thinking more and more about how a good crime book works and why. What everyone always said was that I looked very commercial. But I also thought I was a mentally ill person, and was going to spend my life in institutions. Please try again. I had never heard of her, but Ive read a number of her books now. You know, there is a gigantic collective of information out there. So, again, back to curiosityif I can access my curiosity, Im suddenly totally fascinated, because I think, What are they looking at? All prices were up to date at the time of publication. But theyre good stories, and Im enjoying them. The modelling thing was not going anywhere. I sent this book to Romulus Linney. In Phils workshop, where emotional rawness was the focus and the goal, I had ended up writing a lot of stories about adolescent girls with complicated backstories, and these were very emotional stories because, even though Ithen as nownever wrote about myself, that adolescent moment of girlhood will always be very available to me and powerful. And then, if they wish, they can share all or part of their memories to a collective, the Collective Consciousness, and that ends up being an important development that plays out through the course of the book. No other nineteenth-century writer, in English. The story definitely got attention; it was by a completely unknown writer. 'The Candy House' is a brilliant portrait of intersecting Ive heard other people say that they read books and thought, I can do better than that. I gleaned this device and its various properties more from first-draft material that I started writing in those early years, from 2010 to 2013. What would your candy house be coated in? The power of the image and image culture, its relationship to our inner lives, terrorism as an epiphenomenon of image culture, just as modelling isI kind of brought those two ideas together in my novel Look at Me.. You can follow up good fortune with more work that can potentially bring more good fortune. Jennifer Egan is not only publishing a new novel but its a sibling sequel to her Pulitzer Prize- and National Book Critics Circle-winning A Visit from the Goon Squad.. Like Goon Squad, The Candy House features a cast of intersecting characters: a tech tycoon who spearheads a new era of online sharing, an anthropologist who And what I ended up writing was a story called The Stylist that had a very different quality to it than anything I had written. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. I was going to say that you often sound like your own fiercest critic; I havent heard many writers be as hard on themselves as you are. Id been to Mexico, but that was really the only foreign country I had visited. It really shows you. I was working on them at the same time, the story collection and the novel. You dont need to know me to know what they are. Does it slow you down, or is it liberating to feel that you have backup? They are insanely sexist. And then I would walk to her apartment and sometimes get yelled at for the second half of the day. And, for a newcomer to the city who had never really known any writers, it was kind of like mainlining the publishing industry. You said that you dont write about yourself or people you know in fiction. But perhaps its the members of your writing group who are your fiercest critics? 63 talking about this. I never would have imagined you sitting there, looking at Twitter, and saying, I think the Homeric Mediterranean combined with a 2030 spy mission is the perfect story for this form.. I think the first time it happened was in a youth hostel that was in a kind of high-rise building in Reims. It does all of that, and you cant put it down. It was actually one of the adolescent-girl stories. Her solution is to camouflage it by filling the house with Mondrian merch: candleholders, vases, umbrellas, tea trays, glasses, place mats, towels, throw pillows, framed posters, coffee-table books, and a needlepoint footstool. No one, she explains, with a legit Mondrian would ever acquire such crap.. Its so clichd to express anxiety about things being different than they were when one was young. And I think I felt that gave me some sort of control or ownership of whatever was going on, whether it was good or bad. I kind of felt like I was just disappearing, or my brain was crumbling. Its present in almost all of your novelsideas about image culture, about beauty, about terrorism. At that point, I wasnt thinking about Twitter anymore. Its deeply problematic from the standpoint of sexual mores and violence against women. He said, Yes, its good, but you can do better. And I thought, Dude, everyone loves it, its emotional. When I write a first draft, what Im holding onto is a sense of atmosphere and the physical environment where the piece is unfolding. Group, a Graham Holdings Company. Our consciousness is not like a camera. In The Candy House, D&D represents one of several alternatives to the candy house of technology and information. If you think about the eighteen-seventies, its basically the beginning of the Gilded Age, and yet none of that stuff existed yet. Are there noncrime writers who have been inspirations for you? And repeatedly I thought, Maybe I just need to walk away from this. Theres something different about this story. I thought, Well, all these paragraphs are very short, but I wasnt yet Twitter-aware enough to realize why. Own Your Unconscious, his second breakthrough, was also lifted from an academics research and allows people to deposit a copy of their memory to a sexy bit of tech shaped like a luminous cube. First of all, I should say that I showed very little promise. Its also remarkable that Tom Jenks said, You can do better. How much better is that than saying, This is the best you can do? Anyway, once Id decided to do this, there was a very long and tangled path not to success, per se, but to the actual production of anything worthy. In general, imposing any sort of structure on an existing story has never worked for me. And, ultimately, I ended up having to go home. But I had put myself in such an isolated situation, a kind of isolation that hardly exists anymore. Never trust a candy house! We encountered an issue signing you up. Journalism is a chance to have that experience in the real world. And my then stepfather, I think, got Loy to persuade one of these modelling agents to bring me over. I clearly dont pay close enough attention. Slate has relationships with various online retailers. Were in such a tender moment culturally, for good reasons. Its emotionally wrenching, and yet it also has a kind of coolness to it. The Candy House and Goon Squad are ensemble pieces that, hopefully, work in a sort of kaleidoscopic way, with many different individual stories fusing into a larger narrative that has an arc, but a looser one, like that of, say, a serialized novel or a TV programsince thats where many people get their serialization now. Shes witnessing a moment of liberation in her fathers life but also the beginning of the end of her parents suburban marriage. See what you think. Where I thought I was trying to go was the nineteen-sixties, which I very much want to write fiction about. So, yes, that stuff is all there in The Invisible Circus. And I think the feeling of not being real is also very present in that book. Its so unreal in its coloration and so shiny and appealing. Its so spectacular. It was so useful later to have all that documentation. I think I read it very sociologically as a teen-ager, maybe anthropologically. I feel a hesitation, a wish to slow things down. The nineteenth-century book feels embedded in a contemporary context. I was devastated. Join Morning Show Producer Jill Egan at Centennial Park West Summer Concert Series August 14, 2021 @ 3:00 pm - 5:00 pm And everyone in the workshop loved it. I wanted to travelthat was a deep wish, which I think, to some degree, came from living in California, where I felt very cut off from Europe. A candy house, on the other hand, is just a trap. Interestingly, it didnt really come about that way. I thought, These people are real, Im not, lets find out what its like to be real. I went to one in Park City, Utah, and I went to one in Squaw Valley. My mother and my stepfathers marriage started to break down while I was in Japan, so it was a pretty grim scene when I returned home. In one form or another, yes, because I was working on my first novel, The Invisible Circus, when I joined the class that became the writing group. And The Candy House, which is set in the not-so-distant future, revolves around a new form of technology. And I think when those panic attacks came there may have been a sort of weird existential aspect to them. And, somehow, I came home feeling quite sure that writing was the thing I had to do. The person who narrates the 1965 chapter, which describes how four young bankers leapt into the counterculture at a pot farm in the redwoods, is the daughter of one of the men. Instead, The Candy House contemplates what role the imagination could still play even when other peoples livesand the forgotten periods in our ownhave become easily and totally available. I wanted to be a famous model, and thank God I did so badly at it, because would I have walked away from more success in that realm? But then I think that all that is really boring. . The novel is broken up in time, the earliest chapter being set (sort of) in 1965 and the latest in the 2030s. Yes. Inside the house is a witch who wants to eat them. I feel like I am more myself on the page than I am any other way,Jennifer Egan says. All contents I havent read him in quite a while. I feel alienated from characters like me. He was the literary editor at GQ at that point, and he was also teaching out of his living room. I love taking a point of view that is opposed to the one that I traditionally occupy. Im kind of excited, because it definitely was frustrating, with Manhattan Beach, to feel that I couldnt find any more interesting way to approach the convention of historical fiction except to hit it head on. In fact, unless someone named Deborah Treisman occasionally asks me to write a personal essay, I really dont even attempt it. So I went and lived with Loy, and that was an absolute madhouse. I dont know. Its true that most young people tend to be self-involved. Let people know whats coming. Its intentionalnot so much out of a directive as to what I think I should be doing but because I feel such a hunger to do things that I dont feel Ive done before. I know the point of view of the person whos been the victim of a robbery, but it was really fun to imagine the point of view of the person committing the theft. I dont like everyone staring at their phones. But its all about framing and giving people the ability to metabolize something so that they have the option of enjoying it. But my ability just wouldnt back me up. It becomes so easy, I think, as a middle-aged or older person, to just settle into your own experience. Do you think that there is something inherent to your voice, no matter which book it is? Researchers have studied how much of our personality is set from childhood, but what youre like isnt who you are. And, when I failed, it felt like another manifestation of my lack of reality. The judgments I have are generic. Thats so interesting. I was so alone. 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